Monday, November 3, 2008

Californians,

Regarding proposition 8, I'm sure you're all totally sick of hearing about it by now. But the reason you should vote no for proposition 8, regardless of your opinion on gay marriage, is that it wants to add stuff to your state constitution. You can't just go adding stuff willy nilly to constitutions. It's best just not to make a lot of changes, they aren't intended to be malleable documents.

It's also a civil rights issue. It would have sucked pretty badly if someone somewhere along the way had definitively decided that only white men could own property or vote.

The Gays aren't going anywhere. Maybe we're not all ready to fully accept that now, but I don't know if it's a good idea to state that it will never, ever be accepted. Just my opinion on this Election Night Eve.

35 comments:

Katie Says So said...

AMEN!!! Amen and I appreciate your open mind on equality!

greedygrace said...

Agreed! Separate is never equal.

Demand More said...

thank you thank you thank you! I was hoping someone would blog about this too!

Anonymous said...

Actually, voting yes won't add anyting to our constitution. Voting no will. "No" will change the wording of the constitition to say marriage is between any two people. We already voted on this proposition once (that marriage is between man and woman) then some CA supreme court judges decided they didn't have to listen to what the people want and overturned it.
SO, regardless of your stance on the issue, voting yes will keep it the way the voters of CA originally wanted it.

Anonymous said...

My daughter sent me here...you are one funny lady...but it's a good thing you have boys. The mouth on you girl. Does your Mama read this?

Haute Mama said...

What is THE deal with anonymous commentors? Seriously. If you are thinking it and write it, then own it. Sign your name with pride! For assistance, google John Hancock!

Imagine if our founding fathers, who had different beliefs, decided just to stay across the pond? Why should we not extend the same civil liberties to ALL Americans?

the.bleach said...

Haha I love your logic. I wonder if there really are Californians out there who think if they ban gay marriage in their state constitution, a third of Los Angeles will just dematerialize over night and return heterosexualized a week later.

elaines630 said...

I read an article on CNN earlier with this quote - I thought it says it PERFECTLY!

When voters are given the opportunity to take away another citizen’s constitutional rights, aren’t we all at risk? Why should the government be empowered to interfere in the privacy of someone’s relationship?

katie b said...

As a lawyer, I have to say to anonyhole #1, don't blame the California Supreme Court. They were just doing their job and following the law. If you are unhappy with the result, you should be mad at whoever brought it into the court system. Being from MN, I don't know the specifics but I'm pretty sure there must have been something fundamentally wrong with the proposition the first time. You are getting a second-chance today so go to the poll and do what you feel you need to do. Just remember that what Ashley said is very true, The Gays aren't going anywhere.

And anonyhole #2, yes Ashley is very funny and we've already gone over the cussing thing. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Sorry I got worked up - must be the pregnancy hormones. Or bigots. Not sure which one it is today.

Mom said...

Hi Anonymous,
this is her Mama, so yes, I do read her. As busy as she is, it is a convenient way for me to hear the latest on the grandsons. I understand your concern about "the mouth". I am proud to say that she really doesn't speak that way in real life, she knows she has to be "over the top" to keep her readers on the edge. Never in daily life would you hear that language in a normal conversation. I didn't know about her blog for over a year because she didn't want me to read the potty talk and she won't tell the majority of the people that know her about it either. So, she knows better, it's just for the sake of stirring people up.

Mom

Mama Bee said...

Dear Anonymous Posters,
Seriously, what the fuck. If you don't like how Ashley speaks, go somewhere else. What douche nozzles...
XOXO, Mama Bee
(PS: Yes, I have a daughter and a speak like a sailor. Sue me.)

Former Fat Chick said...

Ashley- I LOVES your POTTY Mouth, and I am sure your Mama is proud of you and you luverly potty mouth- Like I always say- if you don't like what you're reading, or hearing, or watching- move the F*CK ON!

Rachel said...

Very well said, Ashley! And, for the record, I can't recall ever agreeing with any of your political posts. Not all Republicans are the same!

Former Fat Chick said...

It's PROP 2 in Florida and I voted against it- check it out

http://foreverfatgirl.blogspot.com/2008/10/hope.html

Head Nut said...

True Dat!!! Let gays marry!! I do not care what others do in their bedrooms why should the government! What happened to seperation of church and state....that is what all of this comes down to.

Anonymous said...

ummmm ok to the two above me. Voting no will increase the rights of those who have been previously overlooked. I agree. Gays aren't going anywhere. Besides, the whole "Bible" issue most "Yessers" like to throw out is irrevelvant. Separation of church and state people. If this passes, our country is taking a giant leap back from equality and I pray for those who seek to deny someone any type of rights.

Anonymous said...

YEs. Yes. Yes.
Being here in Ca just sick about this prop and SO SICK of seeing the signs everywhere!

Btw- I really love your blog!

Kate said...

We had this same issue in Nebraska about 8 years ago. It was Nebraska Initiative Measure 416 and it amended out constitution. Lucky us, it made us one of the only states with exclusionary language in our constitution. Proud day to live in the heartland - NOT!

Katie said...

Actually, anonymous, voting yes WILL ADD the following language to the California Constitution: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Voting no will result in NO CHANGES to the current constitution.

Anonyhole 3 biotches! said...

It's 102 in AZ and I proudly voted YES. Do you even realize what a can of worms voting no would open up??? If marriage isn't specifically stated as between one man and one woman, then what next? Polygamy? Oh wait.. I forgot. You're probably for that, too.

Undomestic Diva said...

Voted no on 8 and can now stop vandalizing the yard signs of those with the pesky "yes on 8, Protect Marriage!!" in their lawns. I was getting tired of chasing the missionaries around town.

Whew.

(And for those of you who don't understand *humor* let me explain that I AM J-O-K-I-N-G. It's just to piss you off. Because I enjoying fucking with people like that. YOU'RE WELCOME.)

Juggle Jane said...

Word.

Kimberly said...

We have a proposal here to allow stem cell research. I wonder if other states have a proposal like it.

I voted yes of course, but I can't help being annoyed at even having to "vote for" medical advancements.

It feels like religion bleeding in to government if you ask me.

Kimberly said...

oh, and we have a proposal to allow the medical use of marijuana.

dude I so totally want that one to pass :)

whoa. cool.

Ashley said...

Yep, if we allow gays to marry, next thing you know everyone is going to want to marry their dog.

You sound smart, Anonyhole, I don't blame you for staying anonymous.

Bethany said...

Seriously, why the hell are people so concerned with what others are doing in their bedrooms?? As long as people are marrying people that aren't immediate family, stay out of it!!

Former Fat Chick said...

God, I wish I could marry my dog, she's a bitch like me...would you be allowed to marry a dog of the same sex? Or would that be GAY? hmmmmmm, woah...wait I could have 2 wives instead...hmmm, I bet my husband would like that one!

jennyandcompany said...

stem cell research isn't the problem - it's government funding for embryonic stem cell research that is controversial. You can do use all the stem cells you want right now as long as it's adult or umbilical - meaning nobody had to die to get them.

Kimberly said...

Undomestic Diva, I think I love you. And we are both girls, so maybe after tonight we can get married.

No? ok. I love you anyway.

Piece o' Coconut Cake said...

What I want to know is, how come if you're gay, you get a free pass on marriage? No way, if I have to put up with a ball and chain, then EVERYBODY has to put up with a ball and chain!

Mama's Losin' It said...

Yeah anonyholes if you hate GAY people so much why don't you just KILL yourselves!?!

Was that too much??

Sorry.

I've got nothin.

Caren said...

I am so freakin bummed that this is so close. It's STILL not final, and I can't believe people (CHRISTIAN PEOPLE!) would do that to other people and families. You might not like it, but its a fact that the gays are here and they should have the constitutional right to get married!

Plus, they are floating our entire wedding industry right now because they are the only ones who have $$.

Live and let live.

Ashley said...

I do think Republican brides everywhere are living in fear that their weddings will be hands-down outclassed by The Gays. Plus, wedding venues will be booked even further in advance. I'm glad I had a kick ass wedding before I had The Gays to compete with.

;-)

katie b said...

I absolutely love the whole "What's next" argument that gets tossed around. Yes, just because someone supports gay marriage means that we also support polygamy, bestiality, and *gasp* even sex with KIDS! Can you believe it? We're freaks aren't we???

Actually, the issue of gay marriage is whether two legally consenting adults are allowed to marry. Notice the "two", the "legally consenting," and the "adults." I'm pretty sure most, if not all, people who support gay marriage DO NOT support polygamy (more than two), bestiality (lack of two legally consenting adults), or the disgusting, criminal act of having sex with or marrying children (again, lack of two legally consenting adults). So go back to the drawing board and come up with better arguments.

And as for the argument that the bible prohibits it, that is your interpretation. I believe that my God (and I'm Catholic) is accepting of ALL OF GODS CHILDREN regardless of their "sins". My God is apparently more forgiving than yours. Just because they are YOUR religious beliefs doesn't mean they are ours.

Anonymous said...

I am anon simply because I can't figure out how to sign in. I am inept at stuff like that. I was the one who started with "ummmm...." I am so sad that this prop didn't pass. It makes me depressed about the state of this country. I currently teach in a school where all of the "outcasts" come after they have been beaten up at the other schools for being gay and different. Hate is such an ugly word and it saddens me that these kids will be blasted with prejudice even in areas such as who they love. When can we give them what they so desperately desire....acceptance for who they are??